The recent court decision that a commercial photographer could not be forced to film a gay marriage seems unbelievable.

Why on earth would Mr. Smith and Mr. Jones demand that Ms. Bigot even ATTEND their celebration where her revulsion would be in full view to the wedding party and all their guests, much less insist that she then produce what would have surely been a hideous digital record of the event? And they even went to court to DEMAND that they had the right to be ABUSED in this way!

Could It could be that “making a point” Is more important than their joy and dignity?

So sad.

H. Murray Shantz

Winchester

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Ping

I don't think I'll be taking any theology lessons from people who don't believe in any of it and who only use it mockingly to jab at those who do believe. You only make yourselves look arrogant and foolish.

Ping

Exactly, Mr. Shantz, that is the point. It is about forcing everyone to bow the knee and publicly affirm. To just not say anything negative is not good enough anymore. We go from "we just want in the big tent" to "now that we are in the tent, you have to go."

ShruggingAtlas

The sodomites who wanted to forced these people to be fined or forced to video their mockery of marriage don't really care about the sanctity of marriage to begin with.

CRT

Nor do those entering their second or subsequent marriages after divorce, amirite? Funny how those who object to same sex marriage have no problem providing services for those whom Jesus said (with one narrow loophole - adultery by the wife) are entering into an adulterous marriage.

ShruggingAtlas

Yes, you are! Govt meddling in the marriage business has degraded it to nothing less than a check box and a tax credit. Marriage licensing was a Jim Crow effort, so its roots are in error, so that only compounds the problem. See, we can agree on some things CRT, but for different reasons. Get the govt out of marriage and restore it strictly to organized faiths who respect the biblical teachings of this sacred commitment.



By the way, your comment about adultery is incorrect. Luke 16:18:

"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and whoever marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery."

CRT

Matthew 19:9 : I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

ShruggingAtlas

"As Matthew 19:6 says, “Therefore, what God has joined together, no human being must separate.” Biblical scholars, such as J. Bonsirven, have pointed out that the Greek word that is pivotal here is “porneia,” which means unlawful sexual intercourse. The Gospel does not use the Greek word “moicheia,” which is the ordinary Greek word for adultery.



The intent appears to be to distinguish a true marriage from concubinage. What is being said is that if a man and a woman are in fact married, the bond is inseparable. But if they are not married, just “living together,” then there is no lawful marriage and there can be a separation or annulment. The wording of the New American Bible for Matthew 19:9 is a translation that gives us this sense."



https://www.catholic.com/qa/does-jesus-leave-a-loophole-for-divorce-in-matthew-199




JohnGalt

One more thing and Atlas is correct, get the government out of marriage. Anything the government can tax or charge a fee for they are going to.

ginamcintire

Maybe mr. smith and mr. jones thought they could cash in on mr. bigot with a big court settlement.

Ping

Quite right, ginamcintire. And not only get the money, but be big heroes to the communities that stoke their sense of entitlement and get their fifteen minutes of fame from the media that shills for them and get to feel they are doing something really important for once in their lives rather than just fly rainbow flags and chant in parades. Some people just sit around and wait on a chance like that to be offended and to sue.

CRT

Remember when non-whites couldn't patronize certain establishments or attend certain schools? Why did they want to have Mr. Bigot serve them at the soda fountain or teach them in school? The same for women. Why don't people just let the bigots push them around and deny service to them? It's they who are the real victims!

Spock Here

I guess we should have sent them back where they came from!

ShruggingAtlas

Remember when people used logic to make their point, instead of gaslighting an issue to make it into something it's not? Good times!

Conservative

He can't help himself. Always deflecting, never standing up.

CRT

It's perfectly logical to compare gender and race discrimination and what you are advocating. In areas where sexual orientation has been declared a protected class, all businesses open to the public are not to discriminate based on that criteria just as they can't for race or gender. How about these folks who want to deny service to mixed race couples based on their religious beliefs? Should they be allowed to do so? BTW, I think you should review the definition of "gaslighting". I don't think it means what you think it means.

Ping

No. It is not logical.

ShruggingAtlas

Gender is assigned at conception, we are all part of the human race. Glad you admit sodomites are a protected class, because that means you acknowledge they already have special rights other groups do not. If there's a business in town that turns away married couples because of their differing skin colors, please let me know who they are and I won't go there. This is 2019, not pre-1964, what you are arguing against is not reality and hasn't been in over 50 years.



You ASSUME that those who disagree with you would promote or condone segregation, which is a complete fabrication and a bold-faced lie. It's dishonest and you're only saying it to get those who disagree with you to shut up and go along with these warped definitions of what you and your ilk consider to be "normal". Gender and race are not emotional choices, sex is. We are not animals, we did not descend from them, and we know better than to act like them.


Spock Here

I thought gaslighting was trying to convince someone they were crazy by insisting what they saw, they didn't see, what they heard, they didn't. Kind of like the crook in chief?

In any case, calling certain people so-do-so-do-mite-tee-mites is possibly ignoring the fact that practically every human bean has committed the "oral", or the "did-did-diddly" upon themselves or others. Is Ms god watching everyone??? Goodness, she must be busy--and nosy. The "damned" will have quite a party it seems

CRT

Oh Atlas, not only are your Biblical facts a little off, but you haven't been keeping up with the news. There have been a few instances where people have invoked their religious beliefs to state their opposition to mixed race couples and a few venues have refused service based on religious grounds. One was a city council member in Mississippi. One was a candidate for office in Michigan. Just because Fox didn't tell you about it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

ShruggingAtlas

Oh CRT, but they aren't! You are confusing the intent of the bible with people's poor interpretation and use of it. Don't confuse me with some of your fellow Protestants. We aren't living the "Handmaid's Tale"!

Spock Here

We aren't living the Handmaid's Tale? Could have fooled a few million citizens.

CRT

Atlas, so you're saying Jesus said you could divorce your concubine if she committed adultery? That makes no sense. That verse from John is pretty clear.

Explain this loophole: 1 Cor. 7:15, 27-28.

CRT

*Matthew not John.

ShruggingAtlas

There's no confusion here, you might have read what I posted wrong. Having sex outside of marriage, no matter who that partner might be, is sinful.

Spock Here

"sex outside of marriage is sinful." It's getting mighty crowded "down there in Hades".

ShruggingAtlas

Yes Spock, it sure is! Getting to Heaven is not easy, and I certainly don't want you or anyone else going to the other place. I don't sit here and tell you and others on here uncomfortable and inconvenient truths because I enjoy the vitriol. I'm no better than you or anyone else.

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