DAVID JASWA

Friday, January 22, 2021, marked the 48th anniversary of the Supreme Court decision, Roe v. Wade, which allowed abortion on demand throughout the United States. Since that time, it is estimated that 62 million Americans have died through abortion. To put this into perspective, this is approximately the combined population of Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and the District of Columbia.

Friday, January 22, 2021, also marked the day that President Biden and Vice President Harris issued a public statement that they would make good one of their campaign promises: they would codify the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade by legislative action. In the event that the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, the legislation proposed by Biden and Harris, if passed, would nullify the overturning of Roe v. Wade. The legislation would allow the killing of innocent, unborn babies to continue.

This brings me to two letters that were recently published in The Winchester Star. The first letter, published on January 5, was by Ms. Trish Conk. In her letter, Ms. Conk responds to another letter writer by stating that Biden “wears his faith on his sleeve” and that the other letter writer was “anti-Catholic” for questioning Biden’s faith. I agree that Biden “wears his faith on his sleeve” but he does not practice it. The Catholic Church has condemned abortion consistently for the last two millennia. Bishop Joseph Naumann, the U.S. Bishops Pro-Life Chairman, responded to Biden’s statement with the following: “It is deeply disturbing and tragic that any President would praise and commit to codifying a Supreme Court ruling that denies unborn children their most basic human and civil right, the right to life, under the euphemistic disguise of a health service.” President Biden’s actions concerning abortion are not that of a practicing Catholic. If Ms. Conk wishes to call me “anti-Catholic” for pointing this out and for reiterating Catholic teaching, then so be it.

The second was Ms. Kate Simpson’s letter of January 18. Ms Simpson, the secretary of the Winchester-Frederick County Democratic Committee, quotes the prophet Micah 4:4: “Every man shall sit under his own vine or under his own fig tree, undisturbed” and states that to be “an ideal state of affairs.” However, Ms. Simpson only quotes the first part of the verse. The rest of the verse states, “for the mouth of the Lord of hosts has spoken.” In fact, if one reads the entire fourth chapter of Micah, one sees that only God can save us. The only way that we will have peace is to listen to and follow God’s commands; we cannot find peace without him. Exodus 20:13 commands, “Thou shall not kill.” Biden’s announcement goes directly against this command, since abortion is the killing of an unborn person. We will not have peace as long as the violence of abortion is being promoted in the land.

David Jaswa is a resident of Stephens City.

(88) comments

john brown

how do you tRumpsters reconcile your anti abortion stance with your undying love for a male, tRump, who has been tied to at least a half or more abortions. how do you balance such hypocrisy? do you really have any true beliefs or are you all "feelings" and "emotions"? I think your anti abortion "stance" is guided by your anti female emotions and your need to control all women but especially the women in your hypocritical circles.

Billie Mac

Abortion is a sacrament for you sick Democrats.

Spock Here

There's a special pledge, too.

shinyhappypeople

And I never stay for the wine afterward. It’s always the cheap stuff.

Bryan.the.Nuri

Awwwwe, goat.... at least you tried

ShruggingAtlas

[thumbup]

Blackhorsegirl

I think my brain is starting to leak. Just because I am a Democrat and voted that platform doesn’t mean I don’t feel the anguish of my Republican fellow Christians against abortion. I feel their pain that nothing has happened for 50 years which means abortion has not been outlawed. It’s not going to be regardless of marches, tears and prayers. I promise, Mr. Atlas, not to say rattling rosary beads anymore and imply any dishonor to our Blessed Mother.

Regardless of party affiliation, we need to stand on the same platform of life and of the life affirming. I’m going to quote the late Joseph Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago:

“Those who defend the right to life of the weakest among us must be equally visible in support of the powerless among us: the old and the young, the hungry and the homeless, the undocumented immigrant and the unemployed worker. Consistency means we can not have it both ways: we cannot urge a compassionate society and vigorous public policy to protect the rights of the unborn and then argue that compassion and significant public programs on behalf of the needy undermine the moral fiber of the society or are beyond the proper scope of governmental responsibility.”

Honestly, I don’t think there is anything else to be said.

ShruggingAtlas

Such a negative, defeated position you have -- I'm so sorry that you seem to have allowed the terrible sin of despair to dictate your view on this issue. I will continue to oppose the abhorrent sacrifice of innocent unborn lives however I can, and I know that I'm not alone. Christ will prevail.

I appreciate your apology and I accept it. I don't want animus, but I'm not going to allow anyone to besmirch the character of good people that I personally know to go unchallenged. I can disagree with you about politics, but priests shouldn't be timid on speaking about the issues ongoing in and outside the Church. They are our shepherds against a fallen world. When the govt decided to insert itself into these things that's when it became political, not the other way around. We have a duty to obey the Law of God when the law of man runs counter to it, come what may from taking such a stance. God's Will be done.

By the way, Cardinal Bernardin is a very awful person to quote. He left a terrible legacy of corruption and deviancy that is still being uncovered. Your quote from him gives the impression that people who are against murdering innocent human beings in the womb somehow lack compassion for those outside the womb, which couldn't be further from the truth.

shinyhappypeople

Remember Stormy Daniels said that DJTrump did not use prophylactics. I wonder how many abortions he had to pay for? Wait...that’s a ridiculous question. Sorry. I wonder how many women were left to pay to abort the pregnancies he caused??? All those unfulfilled potential don jrs and ivankas the world will never know. So much promise. So many unpopped kernels of corn. I need a moment....

Spock Here

I think Jr. and Eric are still a bit "unpopped."

Bryan.the.Nuri

I bet Eric is afraid of coat hangers to this very day...

Bryan.the.Nuri

@fourty, I wouldn't be afraid of you or your "article" even if you could write complete sentences or even spell words correctly.

Bryan.the.Nuri

@fourty, prayer = "I will do less than the minimum in hopes someone else does something"

At least you tried.

Bryan.the.Nuri

@fourty, learn what debate is before imagining that publishing false criminal complaints and fabricated scenarios qualifies as a debate.

Blackhorsegirl

Ok, Mr. Atlas, your spewing is now political. I would suggest you take deep breaths or practice meditation. Your criticism of Biden says you’re a Trump fan. You supported a vile sociopath, narcissist, pathological liar, bigoted racist, and sexual predator. And you claim pro life? Trump doesn’t care about unborn babies and has absolutely no respect for women. After all he frolicked with whores while his wife recovered from childbirth. He’s a fine example of your family values, you know the kind which degrades women. Trump is a racist bigoted slime of the worst kind embracing White Supremacists Neonazis, KKK, Proud Boys, QAnon. Since you embrace Trump, I guess that puts you in the same slime as a bigoted racist. You can shriek all you want that “this isn’t who we are.” But you support Trump, embrace what he is and what he believes in (only himself) what he embraces (racist slime) so it is exactly who you are.

Listen carefully, I don’t want to hear your religious babble. At least, through voting Democrat, I voted a platform that is life affirming with the opportunity of lowering the number of abortions. And you, Mr. Atlas, still rattling those Rosary beads? How has that worked? You vote for a vile man and wonder why abortion numbers don’t go down. How stupid can you be?

Spock Here

Shrug is a perfect example how investing too much of your mind into the dogma of religion leaves you with not much else to embrace. He's perfectly happy with his medieval outlook, which is nice for him, but really, his "repent" now message to anyone and everyone, not only on abortion, but also on birth control, women in general, people in general who don't fit in the "slot" a defunct mythical "god" wants you in....well......he hasn't learned to mind his p's and q's. Sad thing is that he outs himself by bringing politics into his mix, which most proper ministers of religion don't.

ShruggingAtlas

Oh Spock, you sad little man, don't lecture me about religion and politics, as you have nothing to ground your faith in due to your rejection of God. You're still alive and as long as you are, you can always repent.

Spock Here

It must be nice to be a horrible person throughout life, be a bully, abuser, a murderer, then have the luxury of "repenting", and poof! You're in! Much better, in my opinion, to live a life treating the people you meet like you would want to be treated and not condemning those who don't think or look like you, more fulfilling. I also think many people would think it is "sad" to be a grown up person who believes in Santa, or Tinkerbell, or the value of eating Jesus crackers and fluids. I guess "sad" is relative.

ShruggingAtlas

That's not how it works. Part of repenting is making reparations and/or amends for the wrongs they have committed. I don't condemn people, I condemn acts. You and others constantly misconstrue my comments on here, so let me make that as clear as I can. We have our lives to correct our mistakes, to do penance for them, to make amends for them. I'm not going to live a life of despair because people in the comments section of our local newspaper can't accept that there's life after death and judgement of that life is eternal. Make all the lame, stupid insults you want, it's not going to change what comes after this.

ShruggingAtlas

I can think of a few apostles who have since become saints that had similar sins of their past like Trump, who went to do great things for our Lord. Trump isn't Catholic and he hasn't publicly repented of reprobate behavior like he should, but I pray for his conversion nonetheless. Your claims that he supported white supremacy groups are baseless, funny how you indulge in conspiracy theories while accusing others of the same. Check your facts:

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump-has-condemned-white-supremacists/

You do realize you voted for a man and woman who have made their lives around being politicians, right? Biden is an adulterer, he met his current wife while she was married to another man -- where's your outrage? He has also embellished the story on how he lost his first wife and daughter, lying about the conditions on which the accident that the lives of his first wife and daughter, accusing the other involved of being drunk when it was something less than that, so where's your outrage? Have you seen the videos of Biden sniffing other women, his fondling of children? How is that any less reprehensible than the things you accuse Trump of being? Keep in mind that Trump didn't campaign on some platform of "family values" like Biden did with his so-called "devout" faith, but you and others ate it up. He (Biden) has allied himself with other apostate Catholics such as Pelosi and Archbishop Gregory is also in on it, but that's no surprise if you actually looked into his history of tolerating sodomy and pedophilia in his previous positions of authority. Given Biden's demonstrated deviant behavior towards women and children, I'm not surprised. Biden has a pattern of abusing his own children, witness his manipulation of his son and other family members shaking down countries to profit himself while being VP, but that's cool, right? He's a Democrat and you hate Trump so blindly that you overlook / tolerate those fatal character flaws. Kamala Harris has yet to retract her accusation that she believes Biden to be a sex predator, yet you voted him. You're no better, so spare me your sanctimony.

https://heavy.com/news/joe-biden-first-wife-neilia-crash/

https://www.complicitclergy.com/2020/06/06/archbishop-wilton-daniel-gregory/

Spock Here

Oh, this is just horrible. Thank goodness Biden still has time to "repent." I am not outraged because all he has to do is, apparently, "repent." "I'm sorry I sniffed my neice's hair, but it smelled like baby powder." Do those priests that diddled boys get to "repent" too???? "I can think of a few apostles who have since become saints that had similar sins of their past like Biden, who went to do great things for our Lord. Biden hasn't publicly repented of reprobate behavior like he should, but I pray for his conversion nonetheless." Amazing! It's all good!

ShruggingAtlas

Well you don't believe in God, so you can't begin understand what it actually means to repent. Let me know when you want to start acting and thinking like an adult on here, k? Have a nice day.

Bryan.the.Nuri

If you are so committed, please, write this up and submit it as an Open Forum.

Bryan.the.Nuri

There are many of us on here who doubt your commitment to a god. Please, write up your statement of faith and submit it to the paper for publication.

ShruggingAtlas

I really don't care what you(or many of you) think about my commitment to God. I don't have the burden of proving that to someone who rarely (if ever) engages in good faith or objectively.

Bryan.the.Nuri

What, you use your faith as a club to strike down people you don't agree with. Why not show the integrity of your belief system?

Journey2goremtns1

I can really feel the unity! Illegitimate president brain-dead talked about an uncivil war, maybe he should delete un.....Welcome to the Divided States of America. Buy a gun.

Bryan.the.Nuri

I dont think anyone cares to hear from you, coward.

Spock Here

They let you out of the slammer already? Go figure.

Blackhorsegirl

Yes, I’m always curious as a woman that men seems to get their shorts in quite a twist over abortion. I, to, am not in favor of abortion but, like President Biden, I don’t believe in forcing my religious or moral beliefs on others in a civilian community. If you study English history, you’d find that rarely ended well, anyway.

I have sat in Sacred Heart Catholic Church and listened to a priest do what is called the “Sex Rant.” This is where for 20+ minutes Mr. Priest starts from the top with abortion, birth control, homosexuality and same sex marriage (I guess that’s women’s fault, too) and rants. You’d think the women of the parish had formed a brothel and were making gobs of money. 😂. What was missing from the rant was any mention of the responsibility of men. Most women would admit that they don’t have angels visiting them in their parent’s barn. They require a man to get pregnant. Yet, the absence was glaring.

One could write dissertations on the Church’s position on sex and sexuality. It is hardly a 21st century phenomenon but goes back well over a thousand years or more so there’s little reason to go there. Abortion is a business. Close clinics due to lack of business not by dictating law. Support good medical care for the poor and underserved. Provide options for safe and effective family planning options. Support programs like the free and reduced lunches, Wick, and food stamps. The so called pro life party-the Republicans-wish to decimate these programs. You know, the idea of millions of hungry children bothers me as much as abortion. The unborn is not the only victim or the only one at risk, or the only one with severe needs. Christians should follow the words in Matthew’s Gospel 25th chapter. Those words are not unique there but repeated over and over in the Old Testament. They are good words.

ShruggingAtlas

Thank for slandering the good priests at our Church. I hope you don't take the Eucharist with that sinful, heretic mouth of yours.

Spock Here

sacred cannabalism..... say what?

Blackhorsegirl

Kill? You mean Trump’s execution of 13 prisoners including a woman determined to be mentally ill? And you claim pro life? You’re a party who wishes to decimate the poor and the struggling which statistics show is mostly women with children. Republicans whisper pro life nothings into the ears of the weak and willing to buy their vote with no intention of following through. Roe v Wade is 48 years old. There have been lots of Republican presidents and conservative appointments to the Supreme Court. Will it be overturned? Probably not because as long as you innocent saps keep voting a single issue, the Republicans will continue feeding you lies.

You want to close abortion clinics? Read Matthew 25 and put all you righteous energy into doing something useful. Instead you wail, weep, rattle rosary beads, march on January 22nd and continue to vote for a platform that is Not in any way of the imagination pro life. All in all it makes you rather useless.

ShruggingAtlas

Please stop acting as if Trump picked 13 random people and murdered them. They committed heinous crimes and were convicted of them. They had time to repent and get right with Our Lord and I hope He was merciful to those who begged for forgiveness. Such a shame you are willing to deny that to innocent human beings that are murdered in the womb.

Blackhorsegirl

Mr. Trump picked these 13 people and had them murdered. God said, “Vengeance is mine.” Why do we always think we know better than God. Yes, he’s, I know these people did heinous crimes but it it not our place to murder prisoners and claim to be pro life.

You know, there are lots of people I find disgusting, evil, useless, and vile starting with Trump. That doesn’t mean I go murder them. Voting them out of office is much more satisfying. 😊

ShruggingAtlas

My, but you are quite out of line with the Church and the bible on your view of the death penalty. These people had appealed several times to be spared, unlike their victims who were denied it. The death penalty, when the accused is proven to be guilty, is a just action. God was the first to institute the death penalty, Jesus never said anything to contradict Him, neither did His Apostles. There is nothing contradictory in demanding justice and protecting the innocent. Your argument is a non-sequitur.

Genesis 9:6 “Whosoever shall shed man’s blood, his blood shall be shed, for man was made in the image of God”

Romans 13:4 " for it is a servant of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a servant of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil."

Bryan.the.Nuri

Is it any business of yours? Who are you to tell her that she may or may not attend your church?

Blackhorsegirl

Thanks, Bryan, but owning at least half a brain cell, I made the decision a long time ago to leave. There’s a lot more to faith and spirituality than having 7 kids. Nothing against kids as I had 5 of my own. But number of kids doesn’t elevate you position in heaven like the Mormons. As for Mr. Atlas, what is his thinking? The more kids you father the more virgins you get in heaven?

Blackhorsegirl

For the record, it is Mr. Atlas who is ignorant. The Church is Not in favor of capital punishment and the practices of ancient civilizations is not today where we should be a little more compassionate and enlightened.

ShruggingAtlas

Mr Nuri, you should read what's actually being written instead of inventing a straw man. Do try to keep up.

If "blackhorsegirl" wants to continue slandering our Church and its faithful pastors, that's on her. She has done nothing but insult the faith she claims to practice. My point about the big families was to counter her lie about Sacred Heart being "dark", when it's quite the opposite.

ShruggingAtlas

BlackHorseGirl needs to understand that a pope can't change dogma. Francis has yet to speak Ex Cathedra or established a council to make the changes to the Magisterium she assumed he's made. The Church still endorses capital punishment, but the conditions on which such a punishment is warranted has changed with the times.

Bryan.the.Nuri

Does anyone else get a super creepy vibe from a person who uses the word "heretic" with any sincerity in the 21st century? I can only imagine how @ShurggingAtlas conducts himself in real life...

Spock Here

One can almost smell the incense and hear the chanting. Self flaggelation is possible. Classic case of closet some would say.....not me, of course.

ShruggingAtlas

Not anywhere near as creepy as someone who goes around demanding the identities of people just because they post comments on a local paper he doesn't like. What do you intend to do with that information should you get it?

Steve Cunningham

In her entire rant on a sermon in which she clearly was not paying attention to, Blackhorsegirl left out one important bible verse - Exodus 20:13

“Thou shalt not kill.”

john brown

tell that to the pro death penalty "christians" on this forum

Blackhorsegirl

Where exactly have I said I am pro abortion? I haven’t ever said. Abortion is not going away and the best we can do is give women as much help as possible so there will be less abortions. While I am a firm believer in the power of prayer, unfortunately rattling rosary beads isn’t going to cut it.

ShruggingAtlas

I agree with you, People are not going to stop murdering human beings in the womb because of a law that get passed, I get that. Also, there shouldn't any any incentive or promotion by law or to perform these abominable acts. FYI, more is being done to help women in situations where they are at a disadvantage besides praying (or, to use your insulting term, "rattling") rosaries. New Eve Maternity just opened a second home for women and their children, there are also other charities in and around the area that help in a similar fashion.

https://www.natlhousingcoalition.org/

Blackhorsegirl

Perhaps, Mr. Atlas, we can call a truce. I’m well aware of New Eve and have donated when parishes are collecting for them. I just prefer to go back even further where women don’t have to face a pregnancy at all. Excellent medical care of poor and underserved women and the ability to receive safe and effective family planning options would solve a lot of problems. I would guess your stand on birth control is that of the church but then again, you’re not a woman. I disagree and believe the church has overstepped its moral authority which is rather weak lately. Birth control is not a phenomenon of the 1960’s but goes back centuries and was always a means of the control and oppression of women. A bunch of celibate old men who wear dresses have no right to make heath care decisions for women. Actually, no man has the right to issue laws affecting the health care of women. How would you men feel if it was done to do you?

Steve Cunningham

Well you did type it here on this very page - "Abortion is a business. Close clinics due to lack of business not by dictating law." Abortion is Murder - Exodus 20:13

“Thou shalt not kill.”

Blackhorsegirl

Mr. Atlas, Dark is a frame of mind and has nothing to do with families being large or small. The Celebration of the Mass let me repeat the word “Celebration” should be joyful, enlightening, uplifting, and we should shout with joy and sing as if praying twice. Sorry, not at Sacred Heart, but remember, this was my experience and many may feel differently. I found the music such a dirge that it reminded me that I’ve been to funerals more up lifting. This is the only parish I’ve ever attended where I was desperate to escape after communion it was all I could do not to run and I’m pretty old and have been to lots of churches.

For the record, this is only my opinion. Mr. Atlas, you may have a truly rewarding spiritual experience and I respect that. I grew up before Vatican 2 and know what it was like. These priest who could all be my children did not. They yearn for what they never experienced. Besides, I would never worship where priests wear black vestments to funerals. That’s just plain sick and contrary to the literary of a funeral being a celebration of a news life. I elect not to worship at Sacred Heart. Isn’t it nice we have that choice.

ShruggingAtlas

You apparently fail to understand what the mass is about. It's also called the "holy sacrifice of the Mass" which about being at the Last Supper and His suffering and death that gave us a chance to get into Heaven. The mass is about HIM, the priest is "in persona Christi" while he performs the rites, not about being entertained. I'm sorry that is lost on you.

What you are describing about the black vestments sounds like a requiem mass, which is done at the request of the grieving family. So sorry it's not to your liking, but again it's not about being entertained, it's about praying for the soul(s) of those departed from this life and their eternal rest, which we pray will eventually be in heaven.

Blackhorsegirl

🙄oh, boy, I am neither a liar nor a heretic . No one can claim to not being a sinner. I listened to the rant of one priest who was in fact a misguided hypocrite in his statements. Fortunately, I am no longer a member there and have gone elsewhere. The parish is cold, dark, and dreary. It promotes punishment and not faith and inspiration. These are the idiots who allow people to come to mass and take off their masks 😷 or did. Complaints let the the 7:30 am Sunday mass to be the only mask mass. You know, these churches are private property. Our balless gutless bishop had the authority to issue a mask mandate and he didn’t. He and priests like him are part of the problem of this terrible epidemic. At the Catholic church I attend now there are still selfish creeps who refuse to wear masks even though the pastor has literally begged. My husband and I will no longer attend until we can finish our vaccine series because of inconsiderate jerks. You know the kind. They fling themselves to the floor to receive communion in showy public displays of piety (read Matthew 23). They make me sick.

Judge elsewhere so called Christian. You’ll not find a victim here to your evil spewing.

ShruggingAtlas

Yeah, seeing multiple families of 6-7 (or more) children at mass sure make it a "dark dreary" place! [lol]

The priests there promote penance, not punishment, which going by your sorry attitude towards the former means you don't hit the confessional as much as you should. The "showy displays" of receiving the body of Christ are acts of reverence, something which you obviously know nothing about. Maybe you should reread the Catechism or take a class on it before you darken the doors of another Catholic Church. We are very fortunate and blessed to have the priests that we do, it's too bad you can't humble yourself to love and revere Our Lord as he asked of us. The only evil here is your distorted and heretical views of our shared faith and the scandal it promotes. May God have mercy on you.

Blackhorsegirl

And how exactly do you have an inside knowledge of my spirituality? Showy acts or public displays of piety do not translate into true Christian loving care of our fellow brothers and sisters. If they gave a s...... they’d wear a mask 😷 and be part of the solution and not the problem.

ShruggingAtlas

It's pretty obvious that you are prideful person who thinks she's better than those she disagrees with. So it's your outward displays of rejection towards tradition that gives you away, nothing to do with having "inside knowledge".

Wearing a mask keeps you safe from a virus like a chain link fence protects you from mosquitoes -- if they actually worked, we wouldn't be 10 months into this farce of a pandemic.

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy

Not to worry though, Biden has been installed as our "dear leader" now, so the ruse has outlived its usefulness and is coming to an end. Hopefully you can spare some time adoring our Lord instead of creepy politicians and bureaucrats drunk on their power.

Blackhorsegirl

No, people like you ruin a perfectly good church. Believe what you like. Fortunately, the democracy recently saved by the Democrats, and the law, and the Constitution, and 81 million voters allows freedom of religion.

john brown

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Your knowledge and common sense are wasted on the likes of struggling.. he is one of those white privilege makes me right, ALWAYS!, types...lol

Conservative

Sounds like you're judging them.

Bryan.the.Nuri

Like you do

cuphaus

Outlawing abortion is not going to end the practice any more than prohibition ended drinking. It will just make it more dangerous. If we really want to REDUCE the incidence of abortion, the path is clear: contraception and education and economic opportunity for women.

Catherine Giovannoni

[thumbup]

ShruggingAtlas

Abortion is already dangerous because it kills at least human one human being.

GreatScott

There is no right to an abortion. It's not in the Constitution. If we "follow the science", since 1973 we have learned that the aborted babies are truly alive and we are killing them. It's a national travesty.

Bryan.the.Nuri

By that case, there is no right for free thought, as it is not in the Constitution....

Spock Here

There's no right to free Viagra either, I didn't see that in the Constitution....

Steve Cunningham

Discussion of the Constitution and Spock is worried about his 'free Viagra' LOL he cracks me up!!

Spock Here

It doesn't take much to "crack you up".....I'll bet you snorted when you "cracked up" and didn't have the sense to realize I was responding to Scottie regarding what he does and does not have a "right" to have......sigh

Steve Cunningham

Spock, your comments are all so ignorant that they just blend in, so yes I get 'cracked up' each day you spew your invective all over these pages. You are so funny!!

john brown

Ever heard of "separation of church and State". There was a reason to install that tenant in the constitution. It was to stop dangerous hypocritical religious fanantics from highjacking the government. If you are against abortions, fine, don't have them but you have no right to force your "religious" beliefs on anyone. I am personally againt abortions and therefore have never participated in one but to force my way of thinking on women on such a life altering decision is just wrong. Why is always male religious bigots pushing there positions on others. After watching their support for a person (tRump) who has paid for numerous abortions, the hypocrisy is overwhelming.

Spock Here

Why on Earth should women listen to men like David?

slowe

Why indeed? Do women still belong to the male centric Catholic Church which considers them unworthy to be priests and who’s manual teaches they are the originators of sin, should be quiet, and obey their husbands? Why are any women even Christian since they all follow the same book and consider it holy, and true? Why haven’t Christian women edited and published a version of the Bible that honors them, respects them and supports them rather than demean them? Where is that book?

Steve Cunningham

Exodus 20:13

“Thou shalt not kill.”

Bryan.the.Nuri

So no more death penalty? Not bad.

Steve Cunningham

What part of 'Thou shalt not kill' do you not understand Bryan? No human has the right to take the life of another human, it is pretty simple.

Bryan.the.Nuri

We have @stevecunningham on record as opposing the death penalty

slowe

We are not a Catholic country. THe president in his pubic role and live is not a Catholic he is an American per the Constitution - not per the Bible. Keep your Bible in your personal life were it belongs and stop trying to impose it on others or expect the President, a secular leader, to apply the Bible to his secular duties to America. Freedom of Religion means Freedom FROM someone else’s religion. Practice your religion on yourself, and not on others.

Conservative

Kinda like saying your disgusting life choices are normal? Keep your personal life personal. Don't care what you decide to do with yourself or your life, but quit trying to say it's "normal".

Bryan.the.Nuri

To what life choices do you refer?

Bryan.the.Nuri

Hello? We're waiting...

Steve Cunningham

According to you very slanted view of our country slowe and not even bringing the bible into it, abortion should be illegal as it is the murdering of another human. No way to spin it any different.

Bryan.the.Nuri

So if a fertility clinic loses a fertilized embryo, who should be charged with murder?

john brown

Good question Mr. Nuri...waiting for an answer from the not so right wing of the discussions

Bryan.the.Nuri

*tumbling tumbleweeds*....

Steve Cunningham

Whomever was the signing agent of the fertility clinic could be charged with manslaughter if it was an accident, murder if it was a premeditated destruction.

john brown

"capital punishment should be illegal as it is the murdering of another human. No way to spin it any different." fixed that for you...

Conservative

Murderers, rapists, and child abusers are not considered humans, they are animals that need to be put down. There, I fixed it for you.

Bryan.the.Nuri

@Conservative, not according to US law.... Good try, o anonymous one

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